Q & A 3
"Heaven and earth"
Tonight we will start this celebration with a Moment of silence.
Maybe using a mantra will help. While breathing in you whisper part", while
breathing out of the Whole". Part of the Whole" is reflecting our
existential situation, in which part" stands for your I and the Whole for the
Ultimate. You feel the tension in the breathing in, while letting go in the breathing out.
Mind the turning point somewhere (deep) down in your pelvis. At the same time you feel the
contact of your feet, your legs and your behind with the floor.
turn your attention to the inside of your eyelids. Watch them as if watching TV. Once you
discover you are here" and your thoughts are there", investigate the
quality of your watching.
Now the third and last step of the exercise: repeat gently and consciously Who AM
Okay. Please finish the exercise by opening your eyes, rubbing your face with your hands,
while deeply breathing in and out. What did you feel?
first part was the most spectacular for me. I really experienced my I dissolving into a
bigger Whole, a limitless space which extended all around the lower part of my body. I got
a vision of sitting in a wreath of lotuses. A deep peace took possession of me.
A: When I
was watching the inner part of my eyelids there was quite some stress in the beginning.
But as I relaxed more I understood your point of inner distance". Suddenly my
watching completely separated from its object. There was a clarity and space I have never
the last part I suddenly started laughing. I understood this was a joke. The question was
irrelevant for me, because I already surpassed that stage. I knew Who I Was without
exactly being able to put it into words though. You played fool with us, didnt you?
Ultimate is so subtle, that unless you become equal", you will never be unified
with IT. On the other hand, once your innermost core becomes empty, it suddenly dissolves
into the Great Emptiness. Usually thinking doesnt bring you there. It belongs to a
different layer, the periphery. Moreover, thinking is a rude energy, miles away from the
delicate quality of the Whole. The paradox is, that the most earthly part of you - your
body - appears to be the vehicle of the spirit. Through bodycontact thinking is curbed and
replaced by feelings. Feelings are more subtle than thoughts, they are more close to your
Center. The next step is to watch your feelings. Here the motto is: watch and feel, feel
and watch. They appear to be related to each other. The more intense your feelings, the
clearer your watching and viceversa. It is the key towards understanding the universe,
e.g. the cosmic play between Emptiness and energy.
Q: For me
this is a little confusing. I have always understood, that the body belongs to the world
of maya, that in essence it doesnt exist. Could you explain?
A: You should never make the realizations of others as your starting
point. You are not yet Enlightened. The spiritual path is to connect to your own reality.
Most people have to admit then, that this reality is one of alienation. Because of your
identification with your mind, you are cut off of everything else: your body, your deeper
Self, your fellow human beings, nature and the Divine. The paradox is that you first have
to become the body (the world) in order to transcend it.
sounds like going back to zero.
A: All achievement" without roots is useless. Sooner or later
it will collapse. But what did you loose, after all? Connecting to the body, its feelings,
sensations and energies, its feedback with the clarity of awareness, the inner distance
and the extension of your body into its immediate surroundings is going to give you a
quality of life you may not have experienced before. It is so fulfilling, that all longing
for the other shore" has dropped off. The other shore" appears to be
the Here and Now, living in the Present.
Feeling the body makes me feel miserable. It confronts me with my pain, stress and
A: Right. It means your awareness has not developed enough yet. Without
the quality of an expanded awareness isolated parts keep dominating you, they appear to be
stronger than you.
about illness. Does it interfere with body-awareness?
A: Awareness and the body have nothing to do with each other. Thats
why you can be aware of your body. So, ideally" having an illness doesnt
make any difference. However, in practice it certainly could interfere. For instance in
times you suffer from great discomfort and pain.
mind easily slips out of the body. It is how I experience liberation. I fly around in
space without any obstructions. What is the difference between my and your approach?
So trying to have out of the body" experiences is not very recommendable?
A: I am the Space in which you fly. My identity shifted from my limited
self to my unlimited Being. Your identity didnt change though. While flying in space
- whatever blissful, cool etc. it might be - you have remained the same identity, the same
thinking entity. Slipping out of the body or transcending it are two opposite ends of the
spectrum. The first is being stuck in delusion, while the second is the staircase to
A: You have never been the body and you want to get out of it?
Q: To me
this kind of talk is much too esoteric. Lets return to the starting points. I have
been doing satsang, tai chi, zen, deep coaching and lots of other things. Why am I
still sitting here?
A: Because you already have achieved, but you dont realize IT. THAT
is always here, that isnt the problem. The problem is, that although THAT is
Omni-present, and despite its uninterrupted invitation, you have managed to keep your
Q: How to
A: Self-investigation has a big disadvantage. It tends to make your
self-identity stronger. Having discovered that, there are two options left. To go on until
you (the mind) gets crazy or choosing another method, e.g. the direct and the indirect
approach. You have to find out what suits you best. Generally, the more desperate you
become, the closer to the Truth.
always talked about the way of meditation and the way of surrender. Is that what you also
A: There is only one way, but different types of people. In meditation
you surrender your periphery, while in surrendering your Center is born. Your temperament
will decide, which path has to be followed. Both are beautiful, both have
dangers". In meditation you might become obsessed with yourself, in surrender
you might become obsessed with the object of your devotion. The path towards"
liberation is like the eye of a needle, hence it is better to forget about it all.
would like to live in forgetfulness, but how to achieve it?
A: It is the same like trying not to think. With every trying you only
think more. This is because the mind is effort. It comes out of effortlessness though. So,
move there where everything is spontaneous, natural and easy-going.
often talk about being rooted in Heaven" and earth. What point are you trying
to make by it?
A: There are three major illusions. One is that you think you are what
you are. Secondly, that you are a separate entity and thirdly, that you are a mortal human
being. Restoring the Wholeness includes three initiations. The second one is most crucial.
Once you have discovered that your spirit is part of Heaven" (the Great Spirit)
and your body is part of nature (the earth), your existential problem - of alienation and
isolation - is solved. To fit in in the Whole appears to be the greatest freedom possible.
Try the effortless path,
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