|   Q. Why A New Economy? A. People talk about "the economy"
        as if the current system is a natural law of some sort. Very few feel the need of further
        investigation into its origins, structure and dynamism. Q. Starting with the origins? A. Indeed, it started somewhere. Conclusion:
        it wasn't there from the beginning. Q. It is not a system given by
        "God". A. Right. Ironically, it started when people
        became alienated from "God",  their Divine Spark within. The Church
        suppressed all attempts to establish a direct contact with the inner Divinity. Those who
        did were persecuted and brought to the stake. This terror lasted many centuries. At last,
        not being able to return to the Source, people were forced to fall back on their ego. Q. The Church itself being the cause of
        "secularization?" A. Absolutely. Religion has destroyed
        people's inherent spirituality. The former thus being directly responsible for materialism
        as it has developed in the West. All attempts of the Church to suggest the opposite are
        totally hypocritical. Q.  About which period of time are you
        talking? A. In the Middle Ages people were
        God-oriented. Originally, there was the idea of a "macrocosm reflecting
        microcosm". Hence, a hierarchical structure of clergy, aristocrats and farmers. They
        were all committed to each other by ties of loyalty. Commerce and profit on the other hand
        were considered contemptuous.  Q. The world upside down. A. The contemporary one, yes. What you see
        today is, that the lowest instincts rule the world. A re-orientation toward other social
        models is a case of utmost priority. Q. Back to the Middle Ages? A. It depends how you define the current
        crisis. If you think it is "economic", then "economists" will be
        highest in the hierarchy. If you think the crisis is a spiritual one, then indeed
        spiritual leaders should be on top of the pyramid.  Q. Needless to say, that you cherish the
        latter. A. "Having is the inability to Be".
        It is the foundation of capitalism. It started in 15th century Northern Italy as a
        over-compensation for the loss of spiritual life. If you lack true fulfillment, you start
        searching for a substitute. Hence, consumerism is an ersatz-behaviour. Lacking spiritual
        Realization having became an addiction. However, accumulating never can satisfy your
        deeper needs.  Q. Please, continue. A. The irony is, that later again religion
        was the cause of a new phase in the further development of capitalism. It was
        Protestantism and especially Calvinism, which justified it, saying that accumulating
        wealth and serving God was one and the same thing. That's why Calvinist countries are the
        most "succesful" in the world. Q. You probably won't agree, that capitalism
        and God can be reconciled. A. That's right. Actually, they are excluding
        each other. As you know the Ultimate is a Vacuum, a Cosmic Womb ("The Great
        Mother"), from Which everything originates, while constantly returning. This is
        called the "Law of the Universe". The most fundamental insight is, that the
        universe is ruled by a cosmic balance between "death, rebirth and permanence
        ("web of life")". Society should reflect this basic law. Q. Which obviously isn't the case at all. A. Profit, accumulation and enrichment at the
        expense of others - people, aimals, plants, oceans, the atmosphere - is an offense against
        cosmic balance. Hence, capitalism and the Divine are incompatible.  Q. So truly spiritual people are
        anti-capitalists? A. Deeper insight into the dialectics of
        spirituality on the one hand and materialism on the other is needed. As stated above,
        absence of the former has created the latter. We all bear a responsibility in this regard.
        It consists in adopting a truly spiritual life, of such a quality that the addiction to
        accumulation will automatically be dropped.   Q. What with regard to society? A. We have to understand the dynamism of our
        time. Through extreme accumulation the Cosmic Law has been violated. The balance between
        "death and rebirth" has been disturbed. Emptiness - the Cosmic Womb - doesn't
        tolerate the too much. Hence it ("She") started to break down our
        ego-achievements. It is the cause of the fact, that our society is in decay.  Q. With what consequences? A. It depends on your insight. People without
        understanding will consider this as a disaster; the one's who are awakened see the
        dynamics behind. They understand that what is broken down, actually are our addictions. To
        them, the pain is part of their withdrawal symptoms. Despite the difficulties they may
        encounter, they will welcome it. Destruction of the ego and going back to the Source are
        two parts of the same coin, after all. Q. How could the system be changed? A. The economy of growth is incompatible with
        the Law of the Universe. It has to be replaced by an economy of balance. Now, generally -
        because of the dominant position of the former - all attempts to change the system circle
        around economics. However, as we have seen, the core of the problem isn't economic. Hence,
        I don't take the system, but the people as the starting point. Q. How? A. Allow me another small excursion. Through
        ruthlessly promoting egoism, materialism and individualism capitalism deliberately
        destroys the community as well. Splitting society up in singles enlarges the "inner
        market", after all. It is another offense against the Law of the Universe, namely
        destroying Mother's web of life, the interdependency of all beings, things and events.  Q. Please, elaborate. A. What is characterizing the situation is
        this. Last year, the top bankers of Holland had an emergency meeting about the acute
        "disintegration of the community". If bankers come together out of concern about
        the community......, then really something serious is going on. On the other hand, this is
        totally hypocritical, since it is them who with one hand want to restore what the other
        hand is destroying. No doubt, action is needed. Q. What are you thinking about? A. Leaders nowadays talk about unemployment
        and migration as the biggest security risks of our time. In their one-dimensional thinking
        this can only be solved by the private sector. They are "confident" that the
        latter is the way to create new jobs. What they do forget is, that indeed the selfsame
        private sector is the cause of structural job losses world wide. The current economy isn't
        the solution, but the cause of the problem.  Q. If that is the case, a totally new
        perspective has to be created. A. As always the community is excluded from
        the discussion. Those in power are afraid of the people. Their positions can only be
        maintained if the community is being ignored. (Big) companies, as everyone knows, operate
        as alien bodies in society. Their only concern is profit. Through which the
        "rest" of the world is being further empoverished.  Jobs should originate
        through the social interaction of the people themselves, though. Their surplus value is
        not only "spending power", that flows back to the companies, but something that
        should benefit the community. Moreover, the issues are work satisfaction, self-esteem and
        creativity. Actually, it is about the kind of society that we want.  Q. What is your proposal? A. We have to "kill two birds with one
        stone". On the one hand further progress of capitalism has to be stopped, while
        at the same time healing the community. In practice, this could be done as follows. In the
        New Economy there are three basic principles. The first is, that people commit themselves
        to work for half a day every day (five times a week) as a voluteer for the community. In
        exchange for his/her contribution everyone without exception will receive a basic income.  Q. How high this will be? A. Enough for the basic needs: housing,
        energy, eating and drinking , health care, education and transport. Q. That won't be easy! A. Above mentioned area's have to be
        withdrawn from the private sector. So that the Self-sovereign Community democracy* can
        gear basic income and basic costs to one another. In practice this means, that the costs
        of basic support will go down considerably.  * See: "Transformation
        Manifesto for the 21st Century". Q. Furthermore..... A. The other half of the day can be freely
        spent. It is up to every individual's free choice. One would indeed try to make as much
        money as he/she can, the other prefers to enjoy leisure, while a third is devoting
        him/herself to creative arts, travel, spirituality, gardening etc. etc. The overall result
        is, that a new balance of life will be established, both in individual as well in social
        life. This will be so fulfilling, that very soon nobody will long for the "rat
        race" anymore. Q. Indeed, a triumph of simplicity. But won't
        people miss their level of consumption? A. The quality of life is more fulfilling
        than the quantity. The point is, that nobody ever had a chance of experiencing it. From
        the moment on, that you will be able to compare, most people will have no difficulty in
        making the right decision. The current stress, burn-out, depression, fear and anger are
        signs of the fact, that the entire society has come to its limits already. Q. So, there is still hope? A. You have to also take into consideration,
        that in order to save the world ecological limits will force us to bring down our
        production and spending level to 20% of the current situation. So, we have to go down
        anyway. That makes my proposal extremely realistic. Q. Could the system adapt to that?   A. We are not an extension of the system; the
        system is an extension of us. First we have to decide how we want to live, while
        subsequently adapting the system according to it. With regard to other aspects of the New
        Economy, like subsidiarity, decentralization and regionalism, I refer to the "Transformation Manifesto for the 21st Century". Q. Thanks very much for this interview. A. Become a supporter of the New Economy! Q. You bet! Terug
                                                 
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